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Immigration: A Huge Difference Between Conservatives and Libertarians

Libertarians don’t like borders.  They think anyone who wants to should just be able to come to America.

This is beyond absurd.

Border fenceAmerica, of course, is a nation of immigrants.  Conservatives are not opposed to immigration.  But it must be controlled immigration.

You cannot move to Switzerland unless you bring a lot of money with you.

The Boston Marathon bombers illustrate the need to control immigration — to make sure new immigrants have assimilated into American life, to have actually become Americans. We want to make sure those who have green cards and who become U.S. citizens actually like America.

The older brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, said that he did not have a single American friend, did not understand Americans.

Who were his friends? Clearly, not Americans.

Now it turns out the Tsarnaev family received more than $100,000 in welfare benefits.

Did American taxpayers help pay for the bombs they built to kill and maim all those Bostonians?

Apparently so.

No, we don’t need loose borders or open borders, as Ron Paul and the libertarians want.

No nation can survive that doesn’t control its borders.

Look at Afghanistan.  That’s a country that has no control of its border.  And look what you get — a nation governed by war lords and tribal chieftains, al Qaeda and terrorists going back and forth at will between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Is this what we want — Mexican drug cartels (who are more powerful than the Mexican government) and terrorists going back and forth over the U.S.-Mexican border with impunity?

A recent Pew poll of Mexicans finds that 35 percent of Mexicans say they would move here if they could.  At that point, of course, America ceases to exist.  We basically become Mexico.  And Mexico’s drug cartel crisis becomes our drug cartel crisis.

Rule of law becomes gang rule. Ordered liberty turns into a “Road Warrior” situation.  All of America starts to resemble the worst parts of Chicago’s south side (at best). Perhaps we could rename this new country Americo or MexAmerica.

If you don’t have borders, you don’t have a country.

A country without borders is like a house without a roof and walls.

Libertarians don’t really believe in America.  They don’t believe in the nation state.

This is why I have very little in common with libertarians philosophically.

I appreciate their critique of socialism and defense of capitalism.

But we can’t have capitalism without laws and rules — and tough enforcement.

We need government to be strong, very strong, where it’s supposed to be strong – “to insure domestic tranquility.”

Taxes are the price we pay for civilization — for law and order.

Law and order includes securing our border and not rewarding the 11,000,000 Mexicans who broke into America illegally with a path to citizenship.  The only path to citizenship for them should be to return to Mexico and go to the back of the immigration line.

As conservatives, we believe in the “rule of law” — not rewarding lawlessness.

Not only must we secure our borders. We also need an immigration policy that allows the rate of immigration to be at a level where we can reasonably be sure new immigrants are truly ready to be Americans, understand what makes America special and different from the rest of the world.

We don’t want people here, like the Tsarnaevs, who hate America, who don’t understand America.

We want people here who love America.

Click here for Part I of the series, Why I’m a Conservative, Not a Libertarian

Click here for Part II of the series, We Do Need a Social Safety Net

Click here for Part III of the series, What a Conservative Social Safety Net Would Look Like

Click here for Part IV of the series, The Guiding Theme of American Conservatism

Click here for Part V of the series, True Conservatism Must Be Grounded in Reality

Click here for Part VI of the series, Why Ideologues Are So Dangerous

Click here for Part VII of the series, Cut Defense Spending by One Third and Unwind our Foreign Entanglements

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Easy, but lazy, to refute your own caricature

Ron Paul's stance on immigration is nothing like what you describe. He started out calling for open borders, but all along he has said that you can't have open borders and a welfare state, so he dropped the open borders part of it decades ago, realizing that some part of the welfare state is here to stay.

As a libertarian, I agree with what Ed Crane said to P.J. O'rourke about Cuban refugees: they swam 100 miles across shark-infested waters hanging on to beer kegs in order to come here and make a better life for their families. Let them be Americans? They're already Americans, and there's nothing we can do to make it any more real.

If we end the welfare state, we can have open borders. As long as you have to work when you get here, as long as you don't imagine that you have some claim on my paycheck, mazeltov and welcome. 

The Tsarnaevs are an argument against that? That presupposes that we had a libertarian policy in place. We don't, and haven't. A federal government that consumes 1/5 of the wealth we create was in place on 9/11, and it's grown to 25% of GDP in recent years. How big does it have to get in order to enforce all these laws effectively? Is 30% of our paychecks enough? 50%?

Republicans caused immigration

Rebublicans believe in a corporate America. Libertarians believe in individualism. It was much easier for the illegals to get lost in a system that doesn't pay attention to the individual. Add to this the liberal welfare which the Republicans also are partly responsible and it doesn't matter how strict you make the laws, the ants will be coming to the sugar.

Under a true Libertarian system there would be more small type businesses. The immigrants would stand out more and be forced to conform to our culture. Without the welfare they would make their money and return home as they did before all the programs made it so comfortable to stay. The ones that do stay would conform and become Americans as many already have.

Just getting rid of the welfare and crazy laws. like making us have Spanish teachers in our schools would go a long way to stopping the illegals. The Democrats and Republicans are responsible for this. Libertarians are not.