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How Complicated Can Paying For A Border Wall Be?

Apparently, writing the check to pay for President Trump’s long-promised border wall is beyond the intellectual capabilities of the establishment Republican “leadership” on Capitol Hill – or perhaps it is not mental acuity, but backbone that they lack. In either case, funding for the wall is now claimed to be holding up passage of the budget, which is almost four months overdue.

Establishment Republican Senators are stumped trying to figure out if President Trump will insist on building a Border wall2,200-mile wall along the U.S.-Mexico border — or whether he will settle for increased patrols and surveillance, The Hill reported.

"That's something we're waiting on the White House to give us clarity on," Sen. James Lankford, R-Okla., one of the Senate negotiators, told The Hill’s Alexander Bolton.

"When you talk to [the Department of Homeland Security] and the other individuals, they talk about technology, they talk about personnel, they talk about physical barriers.

"The president has just said, 'I call it wall.' Everything is 'wall.' But I don't think he really means 30-foot high wall for 2,000 miles," Lankford added.

But when you dig a little deeper into The Hill’s article, what is stumping the Republican establishment is not building the wall – it is how to craft a deal with Democrats to grant amnesty to those illegal aliens covered by Obama’s DACA program.

The Hill’s Alexander Bolton says Democrats claim they extracted a concession from GOP leaders and senior Trump administration officials Wednesday afternoon to keep the spending and immigration talks linked as part of the same bargain.

The biggest question, says Bolton, is whether Trump will insist on building a 2,200-mile wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, as he indicated in a recent interview with The New York Times, or whether he’ll settle for increased patrols and surveillance.

Trump indicated in an impromptu interview with The New York Times last week that he would insist on a border wall in exchange for granting legal status to immigrants covered under the Obama-era DACA program.

“I wouldn’t do a DACA plan without a wall. Because we need it. We see the drugs pouring into the country, we need the wall,” Trump told reporter Michael Schmidt.

Bolton reports Senate Republican Conference Chairman John Thune (S.D.) said Wednesday that he doesn’t think the spending package will include the immigration legislation.

“I think that can be handled it separately,” he said according to Alexander Bolton’s reporting. “On this one you’ve got health-care extenders, tax extenders, you have disaster, 702, Alexander–Murray, you have a lot of moving parts,” referring to various provisions to extend expiring tax breaks, subsidize insurance companies for covering low-income people, authorize intelligence surveillance and provide disaster relief funding that will be added to the fiscal year 2018 spending bill.

The Hill reports Thune said a prospective deal on "Dreamers" and border security probably won’t be done in time to add to the spending bill.

“I don’t think they’re anywhere close. That’s not ripe yet,” he said of a possible immigration deal.

Rep. Mark Meadows (NC-11), chairman of the House Freedom Caucus, on Tuesday said there should be no Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) amnesty deal contained within the government funding bill coming up in January.

According to reporting by our friend Matthew Boyle of Breitbart, Meadows said that three “critically important” parts to any deal include the president’s planned wall along the U.S. border with Mexico, an end to chain migration, and a stop to the visa lottery — along with more general border and interior enforcement measures. Trump laid this out on Twitter last week, noted Boyle.

So, the problem that is complicated and has all the moving parts is not building the wall, it is doing a deal to grant amnesty to those covered by Obama’s anti-constitutional DACA program. The amnesty deal requires building the wall, ending chain migration, the visa lottery and all sorts of other complicated changes in law and policy – constructing the wall is apparently the easy part.

Matt Boyle reports that Rep. Meadows says that there is no way there can be any kind of “last minute scenario” whereby only amnesty for the DACA recipients happens without an end to chain migration, a stop to the visa lottery, and funding for the president’s planned border wall. The reason for that, he said, is that doing just an amnesty without stopping the flow of future illegal immigration will not solve the problem.

We agree that there should not be amnesty for DACA recipients in the budget – or anyplace else, however, every sign from the Republican establishment’s Capitol Hill “leadership” is that if they can’t get DACA amnesty into the budget they will bring it up for a separate vote sometime soon. Conservatives must be ready to fight the bill when it comes up, and challenge any Republican who votes for it in their state’s 2018 primary.

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A boarder wall is NOT necessary

Like David said a couple of (possibly electric) fences that go partially underground would work just fine, a wall would have to go a few hundred feet underground and hundreds of feet high to be somewhat effective, we have amazing electronic devises that can easily detect any movement above or below the ground these days, if we can pinpoint the starting location of an earthquake, we can easily pinpoint a tunnel being dug.
We need to have guards located close enough along the fence that can reach any breach within 10 or 15 minutes, the big problem with drugs coming over the boarder will be the ocean, and a wall won't help that problem at all.
We also need to use an Ellis Island approach for anyone wanting to migrate legally to the U.S. that is how my ancestors arrived, no criminal background, learn the language we use and learn about our country. Also no one should be able to cross on a temporary visa to give birth here, just to get a family member to be considered a U.S. citizen, they might have been born here, but they weren't conceived here.


The first thing we need to do to solve our illegal immigration problem is close the borders.

1. Build a double fence along the entire U.S. southern, then northern border. A fence will not prevent invasion but it will make it much more difficult.

These fences will be set up on two berms that run right along the border. The two berms will be at least 500 yards apart. The berms will be at least 30 feet high with steel retaining walls on their foreign sides. The fences will be at least ten feet high and topped with razor wire. The outer fence will be completely screened to prevent potential invaders from observing activity between or beyond the fences. There will be sensors along the entire route to detect surface and underground movement. Sensors will be attached to the fences to detect interference. There will be video cameras spaced to provide over-watch of the entire border. There will be Border Patrol stations inside the fences spaced at intervals that will allow them to respond to breaches in the fence promptly. The monitors for the video cameras and other sensing devices will be in the border patrol stations nearest the device. When an incursion is detected, the nearest border patrol stations will coordinate a response.

The open borders whackos will claim that we cannot afford the expense. Nonsense! This will cost much less than a highway of the same length and it is much more important. It can be built by Army combat engineers, Army Corps of Engineers and Navy Construction Battalions (Sea Bees) as a part of their training — a necessary expense that we already incur. As Trump said, “I’ll make Mexico pay for it.” Withhold all aid to Mexico and use the money to pay for the fences!

Some people would like to build a “virtual” fence. This is a good idea but not instead of a real fence — as a part of it.

2. Establish a military patrolling training area along the U.S. borders. This area will be at least 100 miles wide.

Many will object to the cost of this land acquisition. Much of this land already belongs to the U.S. government. Most of the owners of the privately-owned land will be happy to cooperate if they are compensated for any damage that the military training activities cause. A lot of military training is already done on private land. The land of any who are unwilling to cooperate can be condemned and turned over to the Department of Defense. Military personnel will train in patrolling and ambush techniques in this area.

Their training will, of course, be directed at locating, ambushing and capturing “opposing forces,” other members of the Armed Forces who are pretending to be the enemy. The trainees and OPFORs will inevitably come across terrorists, drug smugglers, illegal aliens and other invaders. Part of their training will be to locate and detain invaders and turn them over to the appropriate authorities.

Some will object to this as a violation of the posse comitatus act. The posse comitatus act was passed to end the post-Civil War “reconstruction.” It was passed to end use of the U.S. Army for supervising elections in the South. As amended to include the Air Force, it reads:

Sec. 1385. - Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus

Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

I ask you, when was the last time the Military was called upon to supervise elections? Answer: 1876. This is a perfect example of a law that should have expired almost a hundred fifty years ago!

The Supreme Court should conclude that the defense of the border from invasion is “authorized by the Constitution.” But who knows what kind of fatwa the nine black robed ladies and gentlemen of the Supreme Court will hand down. If the Supremes do not think the constitution authorizes defense of the border, Congress can act.

The military has lots of sensing toys. All American Armed Forces have a wide variety of surveillance equipment from satellites to manned reconnaissance aircraft to unmanned drones to viewing and listening devices. The Air Force can provide satellite and aerial reconnaissance of the border. The Navy and Coast Guard have various radar and sonar that they can use to observe coastal infiltration routes. The Army has unmanned drones, various ground listening devices and other sensors. All operators of these surveillance devices require training. This training will be concentrated on observing our borders.

Ground forces (SEALS, Marines and soldiers) from basic trainees to experienced warriors, about to be deployed or redeployed to wherever, will practice their ambush, patrolling and reconnaissance skills in the patrolling training area.

As a part of this training, the Air Force will observe opposing forces and pass the information along to the ground forces. The ground forces will monitor OPFOR movements move ahead of them and set up ambushes. As a part of their training in reconnaissance, the Air Force will detect everyone on the border. They will inevitably detect invaders. The information will be transmitted to the ground forces. These invaders will be detained and turned over to the appropriate authorities.

These two simple steps will reduce cross-border illegal immigration to a trickle.


senator schumer says that he wants a clean vote on DACA, and that DACA has nothing to do with funding the wall and he will vote against funding the government to get the DACA deal done.
Well, President Trump should respond in kind and say that if DACA has nothing to do with funding the wall then DACA has nothing to do with funding the government so schumer should vote to fund the government.
If schumer votes to shut down the government because he cannot get a DACA deal done then President Trump should remind those progressive socialist democrats and swamp dweller republicans like ryan, mcconnell, graham and mccain that the Preamble of the Constitution states the following.
"WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES"; it does not say 'we the people of the world. Then President Trump should ask the open borders, let them all in crowd just who were they elected to represent, American citizens or foreigners to include the illegal alien invaders.
Now as to the funding of the wall, perhaps they should start up a go fund me site. I would donate, perhaps the American Citizens could begin the funding and force Congress to represent US THE AMERICAN CITIZENS instead of foreigners.

General amnesty

No AMNESTY first! We got snookered in 1986, we are not going to be snookered again. For this reason, you should extend the DACA protection until after the 2018 elections. We have to empower elections if We the People's voice is going to be heard over the political establishment.

That said; Americans are dreamers, too, and they need permanent, legal protection against yet another 15 to 20 million aliens illegally invading this country ten years down the road. To this end, if DREAMers support the bipartisan, 1994 Commission on Immigration Reform's (CIR) recommendations, reform birthright citizenship, end chain migration, institute visa reform, place the question of "citizenship" on the 2020 census, assess penalties to municipal authorities who harbor illegal aliens, implement a robust E-Verify system, close the Child Tax Credit loophole, establish English as the official language, allocate border wall funding, limit legal immigration over the next decade*, a general (green card) amnesty for the first 11 million registered illegal aliens living and working here at a time certain can be achieved.

*With the exception of agricultural and high-skilled STEM workers
regarding enforcement of our immigration laws

the wall article

The answer is plain and simple Congress. WE the LEGAL PEOPLE of the United States do NOT want the Federal Criminal ILLEGAL ALIENS in this county. DEPORT every last one of them. If they want to be here LEGALLY, then come back and apply. They are NOT citizens and have NO right to be here, they are NOT even guests in this country.
Why is it that a lot of these DACA criminals have NOT applied for citizenship and the majority of them are over the legal age where they could have applied?
They want to continue to suck off the taxpayer dollar.

Border Wall

If there is no physical border wall, and Amnesty is granted to ANY illegals I will never give a Republican another cent.
I have belonged to the Republican Party for 49 years, but will change parties. I am sick of being lied to. Neither party
Cares about the American people. America First will become a Joke.

Border wall

I dropped out of the Republican party when I realized it was chock full of RINO's, I would be embarrassed for anyone to know that I was ever a Republican! I grew up as a Democrat but when I became an adult I realized my mistake and changed to the Republican party and the RINO's convinced me of that mistake so now I'm an independent!